Talk:The New Traveller's Almanac

I am not certain that this should be considered part of the Crossover Universe. To quote from Win Scott Eckert's Crossovers Vol. 1:

"[Some of the references] are so fanciful that one must question whether they are all viable CU references. Clearly many of these references are "real" in the context of the CU, but equally many of them may be part of an elaborate misdirection on Miss Murray's part. I lean toward the latter theory, given the other events described in the Almanac concerning 'Allan Quatermain Jr.'"

This is why I initially did not include the Almanac when I first created the pages of this wiki, although I'm willing to listen to alternate viewpoints. Doug86 (talk) 21:24, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

• I understand. I figured it was excluded because of the sheer number of crossover references - some of which are quite obscure and exhausting to look up info about. Still, it is considered part of the Crossover Universe and as ridiculous as some of the references are, that didn't prevent Eckert or Levin from including things like Robert Rodriguez' Spy Kids or Segar's Popeye comics in the CU, despite how strange they were known to get. I guess what I'm saying is that we should treat everything with a pinch of salt, but that's just my take. - LogiTeeka (talk) 23:03, April 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Should I add a note to the article concerning the iffy nature of some of these crossover references? Or do you think the readers should be allowed to interpret it for themselves? - LogiTeeka (talk) 00:44, April 5, 2019 (UTC)

Bad news: Sean Lee Levin has confirmed in a Facebook post that the Almanac is not a valid CU source. Doug86 (talk) 18:51, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

• Oh, you gotta be kidding me... After all that work... It seems like it could still easily fit in. Though by this point, I think it'd be much easier just to declare the LXG series as a whole non-canon. Either that or the CU just needs to let go of its whole "outside our window" mindset. I mean, it's now 2020 and the future described in Star Trek is looking to be more of an alternate universe rather than a possible future. LogiTeeka (talk) 19:14, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
  • It would appear that other CU researchers have differing opinions on the Almanac. Perhaps the article can still be kept on the wiki with a note attached, stating that the source is of debatable validity and should be taken with a grain of salt? LogiTeeka (talk) 20:16, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
    • Given that Sean Lee Levin and Win Scott Eckert have the final say on what is or is not a part of the Crossover Universe, I'm afraid I'm going to have to say no. Doug86 (talk) 20:38, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

So, if the Almanac is no longer considered canon, would stuff like Mina and Alan being immortal be also non-canon, despite Les Hommes Mysterieux and Gods of the Abyss backing it up? What about the previous leagues like Prospero's Men? I recall that they were included in the CU timeline and they were first mentioned in the Almanac. This decision is kinda baffling... LogiTeeka (talk) 20:53, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

I know that Allan and the Sundered Veil and What Ho, Gods of the Abyss are considered canon, as they have their own entries in the Crossovers timeline; the rest should probably be removed just to stay safe. Doug86 (talk) 21:01, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

Wait... Les Hommes Mysterieux is also non-canon? Honestly, I think Levin and Eckert would just have an easier time ignoring everything from the LXG series. I mean, there's no realistic way for something as big as the Martain invasion or Moriarty's flying fortress to have occurred and be covered up by the government. It's kinda the same problem with the inclusion of Ghostbusters in the CU. LogiTeeka (talk) 21:12, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week, have you decided if you are going to delete this page or do you want me to do it? Doug86 (talk) 18:56, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

• I still don’t know. If this article is deleted, there will be other articles that would need deletion also. I still honestly think this series can work within the Crossover Universe, even if some of the references are a bit outlandish. I mean, it’s not like the crossovers already included in the CU are any stranger to equally bizarre crossovers themselves.LogiTeeka (talk) 23:55, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

• • It's all right, I can do all that work for you if you don't want to. Doug86 (talk) 00:08, July 15, 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I can maybe understand the removal of the New Traveler's Almanac (even if I disagree with the decision), but wasn't The Sincerest Form of Flattery: Les Hommes Mysterieux already in the CU? Sean Levin says that Win included the story in Crossovers: Volume #1 (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/2015/03/crossover-covers-nemo.html#comment-form). He also lists the Fanny Hill sequel as part of the CU canon due to its reference in The Evil in Pemberley House. Seems like they ought to be canon if they were already added to the official chronology.LogiTeeka (talk) 17:16, July 18, 2020 (UTC)